> as a matter of fact, there is something really interesting about a mouse pointer feeling less like a deity floating above it all, and more like a regular in-game actor.
My counter-counter argument would be a general principle for UX designers: Are you designing a game or a tool? If you're designing a tool, don't put cutscenes in your software.
I think games are special, because their explicit purpose is to deliver an experience and often also tell a story. Within that context, I'm fine with having control restricted or yanked away if it's in service of something meaningful in the game.
The same is not true for tools (even in-game tools actually), where I want to complete some kind of task in the most efficient way possible - and often only I know the context of that task.
Unfortunately, that stuff has already seeped into UX design in a lot of forms, in particular as random "new feature" popups that usually appear at the worst possible moment and cannot be shown again. In situations like this, I'd value predictability much more than the coolness factor of a game-like UI.
I would not be happy with mouse pointer hijacking. Seems to belong in the same territory as scroll-hijacking but worse. The example case here could have been served by simply highlighting the area of interest in the UI with a red circle or a flashing pointer, whatever does the trick -- even though that may be distracting too.
There are a lot of interactions on a PC where user inputs land in the wrong place.
Claude Code and Codex in their various avatars allow us to type the next prompt while the agent is still working and responding on the earlier one. But this constantly runs into a permission prompt from running session -- either interrupting or worse entering a response to the permission prompt unintentionally.
Even during normal prompting slash commands interfere annoyingly with normal use of the slash key (i use a slash to indicate a list of two or more choices sometimes when i write).
Permission popups and confirmation dialogs that appear unexpectedly and swallow our keystrokes, spacebar and enter key hits mid sentence have always annoyed me.
Laggy devices, and resource hungry sluggish UIs compound this problem.
Software moving the mouse cursor is only acceptable when the window is full-screen. If the user makes an application go full-screen, they are opting out of the normal desktop UI conventions. It's expected that full-screen software completely takes over the UI, and there are legitimate uses for moving the mouse cursor in full-screen software, e.g. centering an invisible cursor every frame in a first-person shooter game so endless view rotation is possible. But if it's windowed then it should be impossible.
Blender (3D modeling & animation software) implements this cool thing when rotating/resizing objects: if the mouse cursor moves out of the window it reappears on the other side (enabling resizing/rotating ad infinitum).
> But if it's windowed then it should be impossible.
I worked on several apps for the visually impaired that automatically move the mouse cursor to different UI elements in the front-most application, regardless of the window state. It’s a good reminder that “impossible” often just means “I haven’t accounted for that use case yet.”
If it's part of the OS's standard accessibility framework then it's acceptable. The important point is that applications shouldn't be able to arbitrarily move the mouse in situations when it's unexpected.
> The important point is that applications shouldn't be able to arbitrarily move the mouse in situations when it's unexpected.
That is quite a different statement from "It should be impossible." What should be impossible is for the OS to prevent this type of usage when it is clearly useful. Outside of accessibility, I use these features to automate native macOS GUI app testing.
In 25 years of developing software for Windows and macOS, I cannot recall a single instance of the mouse cursor moving unexpectedly.
If any program I used moved my mouse pointer regularly, I'd quit using it. This is right up there with programs that move UI elements around or pop them up as I'm trying to interact, causing the wrong actions to occur.
The effort put into making sure you know how to turn this feature on makes me question why it's so important to them, is the 3rd party paying them for this data?
Even major features in Adobe apps the furthest they go is those video popups rendered using webviews so they glitch into existence as a white box.
From the counter argument:
> as a matter of fact, there is something really interesting about a mouse pointer feeling less like a deity floating above it all, and more like a regular in-game actor.
My counter-counter argument would be a general principle for UX designers: Are you designing a game or a tool? If you're designing a tool, don't put cutscenes in your software.
I think games are special, because their explicit purpose is to deliver an experience and often also tell a story. Within that context, I'm fine with having control restricted or yanked away if it's in service of something meaningful in the game.
The same is not true for tools (even in-game tools actually), where I want to complete some kind of task in the most efficient way possible - and often only I know the context of that task.
Unfortunately, that stuff has already seeped into UX design in a lot of forms, in particular as random "new feature" popups that usually appear at the worst possible moment and cannot be shown again. In situations like this, I'd value predictability much more than the coolness factor of a game-like UI.
I would not be happy with mouse pointer hijacking. Seems to belong in the same territory as scroll-hijacking but worse. The example case here could have been served by simply highlighting the area of interest in the UI with a red circle or a flashing pointer, whatever does the trick -- even though that may be distracting too.
There are a lot of interactions on a PC where user inputs land in the wrong place.
Claude Code and Codex in their various avatars allow us to type the next prompt while the agent is still working and responding on the earlier one. But this constantly runs into a permission prompt from running session -- either interrupting or worse entering a response to the permission prompt unintentionally.
Even during normal prompting slash commands interfere annoyingly with normal use of the slash key (i use a slash to indicate a list of two or more choices sometimes when i write).
Permission popups and confirmation dialogs that appear unexpectedly and swallow our keystrokes, spacebar and enter key hits mid sentence have always annoyed me.
Laggy devices, and resource hungry sluggish UIs compound this problem.
Software moving the mouse cursor is only acceptable when the window is full-screen. If the user makes an application go full-screen, they are opting out of the normal desktop UI conventions. It's expected that full-screen software completely takes over the UI, and there are legitimate uses for moving the mouse cursor in full-screen software, e.g. centering an invisible cursor every frame in a first-person shooter game so endless view rotation is possible. But if it's windowed then it should be impossible.
Blender (3D modeling & animation software) implements this cool thing when rotating/resizing objects: if the mouse cursor moves out of the window it reappears on the other side (enabling resizing/rotating ad infinitum).
> But if it's windowed then it should be impossible.
I worked on several apps for the visually impaired that automatically move the mouse cursor to different UI elements in the front-most application, regardless of the window state. It’s a good reminder that “impossible” often just means “I haven’t accounted for that use case yet.”
If it's part of the OS's standard accessibility framework then it's acceptable. The important point is that applications shouldn't be able to arbitrarily move the mouse in situations when it's unexpected.
> The important point is that applications shouldn't be able to arbitrarily move the mouse in situations when it's unexpected.
That is quite a different statement from "It should be impossible." What should be impossible is for the OS to prevent this type of usage when it is clearly useful. Outside of accessibility, I use these features to automate native macOS GUI app testing.
In 25 years of developing software for Windows and macOS, I cannot recall a single instance of the mouse cursor moving unexpectedly.
The "delete someone else's pointer" in Figma is great. It would be even better if that deleted it off their screen as well.
Windows has a “snap to default button“ setting which does the same.
Saves you a bit of movement on large screens, but since it jumps it doesn’t lead the eyes which makes is disorienting.
If any program I used moved my mouse pointer regularly, I'd quit using it. This is right up there with programs that move UI elements around or pop them up as I'm trying to interact, causing the wrong actions to occur.
vim-athena would automatically move your cursor towards the command buttons whenever it made a popup appear
i thought that was genius, until i upgraded to vim-motif, which would instead move the popup to where your mouse cursor is
In the early days it was pretty common to move the pointer to the active element when one started navigating with the keyboard.
But yeah, it feels like somebody physically grabbing your hand and moving it.
The effort put into making sure you know how to turn this feature on makes me question why it's so important to them, is the 3rd party paying them for this data?
Even major features in Adobe apps the furthest they go is those video popups rendered using webviews so they glitch into existence as a white box.